MyDebates - MySpace and Politics

Submitted by Michael Widner on September 17, 2008 - 11:14pm.
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As much as I dislike MySpace*, they've launched an interesting new site called MyDebates.org that aims to help people choose their candidates based on the issues and to provide educational resources, as well. Rather than summarize the site extensively, I recommend you read Ars Technica's review instead.

I found the site looks nice, is a little bloated and runs slowly on my system, but overall has a decent interface that should make it easy for people to use. It also raises a few issues (of course).

First,  the way the issues are presented tend to be in pretty detailed, specific ways that assume a fair amount of knowledge. Because I'm a political junkie, I knew what all these details were about, but if the site's audience is supposedly undecided young people (the idea of a quiz-style interface to help one choose implies indecision), I think the issues should be either presented more generally or, at least, in clearer terms. A lot of the options read like straight policy statements. I imagine they're trying to be neutral and present the candidates's positions as they state them, but it doesn't work. Barring a simplified explanation, the links to more information should be more prominent. The "More Info" links are not immediately apparent, which, if the main purpose is education, they should be.

Further, I'd like to see, rather than unexplained policy proposals, a more detailed list of questions that could lead people to answers through interactive education. I mean, rather than offsite links to more information, use the quiz format to break the proposals down into parts and explain them on the site. That way, the interface would stay consistent and the informative content would integrate with the decision-making content more seemlessly.

Also, while I like the focus on issues divorced from candidates (the candidate is only identified with an issue after you answer), the style is a little reminiscent of choosing items from a menu. That is, it suggests that political decisions are consumer choices. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but if it succeeds in making some people decide their votes based on a more rational and informed consideration of issues, then I can't see how it's ultimately bad.

Still, these are quibbles. I like the idea of the site, so I'd like to see it done better.

Second, and probably more interesting for most HASTACkers (is that a term?), the idea of the site itself is intriguing for the ways it links technology, pedagogy, and civic/political issues. Based on the general demographics of MySpace and the results from the National Stats tab, which show the support for each candidate based by state, the audience for the site clearly skews heavily toward younger people. Almost every state is for Obama according to these stats. Since we know from internals of national polls that young people overwhelmingly favor Obama, MyDebates.org seems to be reaching its intended audience. (Gallup tracking polls consistently show Obama with an almost 2-1 lead over McCain among 18-29 year old.) Of course, I have no idea how many have responded to the site's questions yet, so much of this could be noise.

The results, though, are less interesting than what this and sites like it can tell us about technology-enabled pedagogy, which is why I paid attention more to the interface than the idea. Can they help? Or is MyDebates.org more a gimmick than a useful tool? My suspicion is that it's somewhere in between, but that better site design and more interactive quizzes could be adapted effectively to many different areas. We know, for instance, that maximal retention of new information occurs if it is reinforced around the time that it starts to fade from memory. That is, repeating a point of knowledge too quickly doesn't help much; repeating it at too long an interval similarly doesn't help as much. If the goal were to teach, say, rhetorical concepts or Latin conjugations, a series of questions that repeated based on correct responses and length of time since last asked might help students retain the information better. That's not really the sort of thing one can do systematically in a classroom because of the varying demands of schedule and the arbitrary time intervals between class meetings.

Anyway, since I just discovered this site today, my thoughts about the whole thing are pretty sketchy, but I thought folks might find the site itself and the ideas motivating it interesting and relevant.

*Not because I'm a curmudgeon, but because their horrible site design and coding practices offend my tech sensibilities.

Pew and MySpace
Thanks for this great post, Michael. I'm fascinated by putting this MyDebate forum together with what the Pew Foundation found about civic engagement among young people. My only worry--and I bet you share it--is surveillance, and MySpace's intermittent security issues and what it means to have your political opinions recorded on a space owned by Fox Interactive Media and Rupert Murdoch? Your cautions are also well taken but the whole thing is really, really interesting. Could it be that newspapers are folding because the internet offers better options, especially with the consolidation and politicization of news/print conglomerates of the 1990s?  I've not used the MySpace site yet but it really intrigues me.  Especially as I tend to find my own best compendia of news footage, videos, op ed pieces, and stories from my network on Facebook.   The social utility is a useful way of using the "wisdom of [one's own] crowd" to sort out the political media overflow.  Collaborative filtering works!
As for privacy concerns, at

As for privacy concerns, at least it's not Facebook. They're notoriously bad.

I'm not aware of the Pew Foundation study you refer to. Do you have a link for it?

Concerning the death of newspapers, I suspect it's because they're just too slow. I have RSS feed subscriptions to about 500 blogs (I don't read them all); about 25 of those are strictly political, 10 or so are straight news sources, and then the rest are divided by subject (academia, medieval, football, technology, etc.). Since many of the bloggers update throughout the day with new information, anything I read in the newspaper or see on the cable news networks tends to be at least 24 hours old new to me already.

Since almost everyone I know and all my students get their news online rather than from papers (except for the few with NY Times subscriptions), it could just be demographic shift and faster news cycles.

I'm interested to hear that you get your news through your Facebook network. Do you just have particularly engaged friends? All I ever see are new status updates, random wall posts, and new pictures.

Hating MyDebates!

I hate the MyDebates site for one reason: it doesn't include third party or no-party candidates.

Instead (as you point out) the issues are treated as an either/or: either you agree with Obama, or you agree with McCain. And if you click "Neither," you're told "You agree with neither candidate." Unless you're a Democrat or a Republican, you simply don't exist for MyDebates. 

Although they have been pushed out of the debates, there are at least three other candidates from all ends of the political spectrum running for President. I would hate to think that a clumsy site like MyDebates is squelching any bit of excitement young people might have for political and social issues by forcing them to define themselves in the narrow and restrictive terms of simply "red" or "blue." Especially since social networking sites like MySpace have been so crucial to nontraditional candidates like Ron Paul or, before him, Howard Dean!

Why isn't MySpace harassing all this participatory potential, and getting its users to talk back about issues that really matter to them? It seems to me that squeezing 330 million people into two positions on any one issue is exactly what's wrong with politics today -- and exactly what social networking sites have the potential to transform.

Thinking about how the quiz frames/misframes the issues...

Thanks for the thoughtful post Michael!

I was intrigued enough to try out the quiz for myself. Initially I didn't understand what you meant about wishing the quiz would "break the proposals down into parts and explain them..." But after taking the quiz, I have a better sense of that missed potential. The questions seem to foreclose any real analysis of the issues by forcing the quiz-taker's answers into 4 possible categories: "agree1," "agree2," "disagree w/ both," or "haven't decided yet." The "blind" part of the test (i.e. agree1 and agree2) map onto McCain and Obama, but of course the user isn't supposed to know which is which. I like that feature (though I think it might be even more effective during a primary as a way of drawing out lesser known candidates). What bothers me about the quiz though is that I kept finding myself wanting to stake out a position that was more nuanced, more extreme, or otherwise differently framed than the answers "agree1" and "agree2" would allow. Yet, choosing "disagree with both" implies that I am equally in disagreement with both candidates.

On the economy, for instance, I answered "disagree with both" because the way Obama was being "pre"-framed (as caring more about "individuals" instead of "businesses) made a caricature of his actual economic position and ironically associated business w/ collective interest. In another question—this one about energy—the preframing of Obama's position seems to draw on Republican talking points. Here's a screen shot of the question. You'll notice that Obama's position here is mischaracterized. The quiz implies that Obama "oppose[s] new offshore drilling and... nuclear power."  Obama's actual position allows for limited offshore drilling and hasn't ruled out nuclear, but the way the position is phrased it sounds as if he opposes both entirely. It's also interesting to note that the only place that Obama's energy policy has been framed this way is in McCain's attack ads.

As you pointed out, the quiz forecloses analysis and seems to reward the sound-bitification of issues. And not to get too conspiratorial, but it's a little scary to think about the possibility of Rupert Murdoch's company having an incentive in "fooling" young people into supporting the candidate whose positions sound better as sound bites.